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lads I've been learning and perfecting everything for just over a year and spend hundreds probably over a 1000 on dark web buying tuts on everything carding, 95% of the time the sites and methods that sold were old and had been abused so the site clocks and jumps up security. took me ages to realize and a lot of money that why would these vendors sell me methods for 10-100 usd when they could make 1000 themselves... basically you have to learn to completely cover your tracks socks5 and be anonymous then spend a lot of time and invest money trying to find your own low security websites, small companies, etc if you find someone who's in the know you can get a good site to card here or there , in the end you will get there . about for pm's